In the first episode of this series, Nick Spencer speaks to primatologist Frans de Waal. 09/11/2021

There was a time (and not so long ago) we thought animals were ‘mere machines’, incapable of inner life or emotions. Now we know better and are beginning to understand the extraordinarily rich inner life of primates and some other species.

In this episode of Reading Our Times, Nick Spencer talks to the eminent primatologist Frans de Waal about his book Mama’s Last Hug which explores the moving and fascinating world of animal emotions and what they tell us about ourselves.

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